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Door Annemarie Rijnveld
#2914178
Twee interessante links betreffende taurine en hart:
A. http://feline-nutrition.org/answers/ans ... s-too-much
B. http://feline-nutrition.org/answers/ans ... -should-i-

A. Answers: How Much Heart is Too Much?

Last Updated on Sunday, April 06, 2014 08:34 PM
Published on Sunday, December 19, 2010 02:56 PM
Written by Elisa Katz, DVM

I'd like to know how much raw organic chicken heart I can feed my kitties. Five of my six cats love chicken hearts and can't get enough of them.

Can too much organ meat harm them?

While the heart is a vital organ, it is in actuality made up primarily of muscle with a small amount of fat and connective tissue. The primary nutrients, excluding water-soluble vitamins, in a typical 6 gram chicken heart can be seen in the table to the right.¹

I have not listed the amounts of water soluble vitamins such as B-vitamins and Vitamin C that chicken hearts contain because any excesses are simply excreted in the urine. Abbreviations used are as follows: kcal = kilocalories, g = gram, mg = milligram, mcg = microgram.

The recommended daily allowances for the above nutrients are listed in the table to the left.²

While chicken hearts are quite beneficial from a nutrient perspective for your cat, too much of any one nutrient is not good. If you compare the two charts, sodium appears to be the nutrient with the greatest chance of being fed in excess. You would need to feed your cat seven chicken hearts per day to reach this amount. Even if you did feed that many, it might not pose a problem, as your cat may simply drink more water and excrete the sodium. However, over time excessive sodium intake can lead to high blood pressure and stress on the kidneys.

Aside from energy, vitamins and minerals, the heart also contains amino acids, specifically large amounts of taurine. Muscle meat in general contains fairly high amounts of taurine, an amino acid which is necessary for healthy heart and eyes in cats. Generally, the amount of taurine in chicken meat depends on how much work the muscle does, with darker meat indicating harder-working muscles and a higher level of taurine. The heart, being the hardest-working muscle in the body, contains the highest amounts of taurine. In my research, I have not been able to find any evidence that cats can get too much taurine, as any excess is metabolized and excreted in the urine.³

The bottom line is that large amounts of chicken heart, seven or more per day, could provide more than the recommended nutrients for your cat. My recommendation would be to limit chicken hearts to no more than two to three per day. This way you can be confident that you are not providing your kitty with too much of any one nutrient.

B. Answers: How Much Heart is Too Much?

Last Updated on Sunday, April 06, 2014 08:34 PM
Published on Sunday, December 19, 2010 02:56 PM
Written by Elisa Katz, DVM

I'd like to know how much raw organic chicken heart I can feed my kitties. Five of my six cats love chicken hearts and can't get enough of them.

Can too much organ meat harm them?

While the heart is a vital organ, it is in actuality made up primarily of muscle with a small amount of fat and connective tissue. The primary nutrients, excluding water-soluble vitamins, in a typical 6 gram chicken heart can be seen in the table to the right.¹

I have not listed the amounts of water soluble vitamins such as B-vitamins and Vitamin C that chicken hearts contain because any excesses are simply excreted in the urine. Abbreviations used are as follows: kcal = kilocalories, g = gram, mg = milligram, mcg = microgram.

The recommended daily allowances for the above nutrients are listed in the table to the left.²

While chicken hearts are quite beneficial from a nutrient perspective for your cat, too much of any one nutrient is not good. If you compare the two charts, sodium appears to be the nutrient with the greatest chance of being fed in excess. You would need to feed your cat seven chicken hearts per day to reach this amount. Even if you did feed that many, it might not pose a problem, as your cat may simply drink more water and excrete the sodium. However, over time excessive sodium intake can lead to high blood pressure and stress on the kidneys.

Aside from energy, vitamins and minerals, the heart also contains amino acids, specifically large amounts of taurine. Muscle meat in general contains fairly high amounts of taurine, an amino acid which is necessary for healthy heart and eyes in cats. Generally, the amount of taurine in chicken meat depends on how much work the muscle does, with darker meat indicating harder-working muscles and a higher level of taurine. The heart, being the hardest-working muscle in the body, contains the highest amounts of taurine. In my research, I have not been able to find any evidence that cats can get too much taurine, as any excess is metabolized and excreted in the urine.³

The bottom line is that large amounts of chicken heart, seven or more per day, could provide more than the recommended nutrients for your cat. My recommendation would be to limit chicken hearts to no more than two to three per day. This way you can be confident that you are not providing your kitty with too much of any one nutrient.


B. Answers: How Much Taurine Should I Add?

Published on Thursday, August 19, 2010 01:04 PM
Written by Margaret Gates


Question: How much taurine should there be in the raw frozen diets? The brand I have says each patty contains 0.06%. Another brand I have says their chicken variety has 0.064% and the rabbit only 0.04%. Both companies claim to be providing complete and balanced diets in their raw formulas. It's so hard to know. I would really rather avoid adding supplements if I can help it.

There is no "precise" feline requirement for taurine, as many factors influence requirement levels. These include protein source, dietary fiber levels, food processing, sulfur-containing amino acid content and the metabolic needs of the individual cat.¹ Recommended ranges for an average cat fall between 35 and 250 mg a day.² The AAFCO lists .2% as the minimum for canned/wet foods (dry matter percentage), so here are some calculations: ³

The first brand you mentioned lists the taurine content of .06% on an "as fed" basis, not on a dry matter basis, so we have to convert. The moisture content is 70%, so dry matter is 30%. So, .06 divided by 30 = .002 or .2%, exactly the required minimum.

To measure in ounces, we convert again: 1 oz = 28.35 grams, 28.35 x .2% = .0567gr or 56.7 mg. So there is about 56.7 mg of taurine per ounce of food. Multiply that by how many ounces you feed a day to get your total. An average cat would probably eat about four ounces of food a day, so the daily taurine intake would be over 200 mg.

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Both grinding and freezing reduce available taurine, but by how much is not clear. That is why I add supplemental taurine when making homemade or supplementing pre-ground meat/bone/organ mixes. Taurine is not toxic in cats and is water-soluble, so any extra the cat can't use just gets flushed out in their urine.? I would rather add some extra taurine to the food and have a cat with expensive pee than risk a taurine deficiency which could lead to serious heart problems or death.

Note: The Feline Nutrition Education Society provides feline health and nutrition information as a public service. Diagnosis and treatment of specific conditions should always be in consultation with your own veterinarian. The Feline Nutrition Education Society disclaims all warranties and liability related to the veterinary advice and information provided on this site.

If you have a question, please send it to [email protected]. While we cannot answer all questions individually, if your question would be helpful to others, we may post it in Answers.
Laatst gewijzigd door Annemarie Rijnveld op zo 27 apr 2014, 23:47, 1 keer totaal gewijzigd.
Door Roosj
#2914242
Die onderste doet het niet.

3 kippen hartjes per dag, oftewel 21 per week. Hoeveel gram zal dat zijn? Het lijkt mij wat veel..

Maar ze hebben het daar ook niet over percentages of het gewicht van de kat.
Door Annemarie Rijnveld
#2914724
Roosj schreef: Die onderste doet het niet.

3 kippen hartjes per dag, oftewel 21 per week. Hoeveel gram zal dat zijn? Het lijkt mij wat veel..

Maar ze hebben het daar ook niet over percentages of het gewicht van de kat.
In het artikel heeft men het over ca. 6 gr als gemiddeld gewicht voor een kippenhartje.
Ik heb de twee links uitgeprint en toegevoegd.
Door Roosj
#2914744
Annemarie Rijnveld schreef: In het artikel heeft men het over ca. 6 gr als gemiddeld gewicht voor een kippenhartje.
Ik heb de twee links uitgeprint en toegevoegd.
Dat is dan 126 gram hart per week. Dat zou bij een menu van 600 gram per week neer komen op 21% hart. Lijkt me wat veel..
Door Martine-Tom
#2914782
[quote="Roosj"]
Dat is dan 126 gram hart per week. Dat zou bij een menu van 600 gram per week neer komen op 21% hart. Lijkt me wat veel..
[/quote]Er staat toch ook dat het gaat over wanneer het teveel zou zijn niet wat de meest optimale hoeveelheid is?
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Door pearlsofpassion
#2914785
Ik vind toch ook dat je in percentage's moet rekenen.
Als een kat dubbel zoveel eet als een andere kat, mag die toch meer hebben?
En gaat het hier nu over katten of kittens?
Door Roosj
#2914820
[quote="Martine-Tom"]
Er staat toch ook dat het gaat over wanneer het teveel zou zijn niet wat de meest optimale hoeveelheid is?
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Zo uit mn hoofd was 6 hartjes per dag te veel. De waarde waar ik vanuit ging adviseer den ze.
Door kakocavi
#2914879
600 gram per week vind ik wel weinig. De mijne eten ongeveer een kilo per week, dan kijk je bij 126 gram naar 12.6%. Bovendien gaat het, zoals eerder gezegd, over het maximum.
Door Martine-Tom
#2914884
[quote="kakocavi"]
600 gram per week vind ik wel weinig. De mijne eten ongeveer een kilo per week, dan kijk je bij 126 gram naar 12.6%. Bovendien gaat het, zoals eerder gezegd, over het maximum.
[/quote]Hier eten ze per stuk een ruime 3 kilo weg  ::)
Dan is het nog een 5% ofzo....en dat is ook gelijk wat ze krijgen...5% hart.
Door Roosj
#2914909
[quote="kakocavi"]
600 gram per week vind ik wel weinig. De mijne eten ongeveer een kilo per week, dan kijk je bij 126 gram naar 12.6%. Bovendien gaat het, zoals eerder gezegd, over het maximum.
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600 Gram zou voor mijn poes normaal zijn. Ze krijgt nu 900 gram per week omdat ze aan moest komen. Nu moet ik de juiste hoeveelheid vinden ivm dat ze anders weer te dik word.
Door Roosj
#2915273
[quote="kakocavi"]
Wat ik bedoel is dat een absoluut aantal gram hart noemen als maximum geen betekenis heeft. Het gaat om de percentages.
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Daar ben ik het mee eens :)
Door Annemarie Rijnveld
#2915286
Als je op de site zelf kijkt, zie je dat er wordt gerefereerd aan 2 tabellen, die ik niet kan kopieren.
Aldus, tabel nr twee geeft de voedingswaarde aan per 280 kcal voor een 10 pound (4,5 kg) kat.
Laatst gewijzigd door Annemarie Rijnveld op ma 28 apr 2014, 23:45, 1 keer totaal gewijzigd.
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