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ik heb vorig jaar ergens gelezen dat honden met epilepsie beter niet geent kunnen worden, ik meen omdat er een stof in de prik zit,alleen weet ik niet welke, en of dit wel zo is?
ik laat mijn dieren eigenlijk altijd enten,maar nu moeten ze vrijdag weer voor de prikjes, en ik wilden wat meningen horen van mensen hier?
wat vinden jullie?
ook is het zo dat chicka een allergie voor mijten heeft, van huisstof mijt, tot mijt wat buiten leeft,hiervoor krijgt ze nu 1 x per 2 weken een injectie die ik toedien met artuvetrin.
voorzover bekend is, kan dit middel gewoon met de jaarlijkseenting gegeven worden.
patricia20 schreef:en dan?
bloedonderzoek is net gedaan voor de allergie, verder was alles goed (het bloed)
of moeten ze dan op dat gene speciaal kijken ?
Ja het bloed moet onderzocht worden op de antibodies.
Misschien is er bloed bewaard van de allergie onderzoek? En kunnen ze dat gebruiken? Anders opnieuw bloed afnemen en titers doen voor DHLPP (Distemper, Hepatitis, Leptospira, Parainfluenza, canine Parvo, en eventueel ook voor corona virus)
Op deze epilepy sites staat ook veel over de vacinaties en titers;
http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-ang ... r_test.htm
De meest slechte voor een epileptische hond is de distemper-vaccinatie, die in alle cocktails zit.
Voor meer info over epilepsie en vaccinatie kun je mijn scriptie lezen: http://tinyurl.com/kkvgv
en enten jullie de gezonde dieren dan wel?
of ook niet?
ik moet vrijdag naar de da voor de prikken, en toch twijfel ik nog steeds,ik vind het eng,bang dat ze wat krijgen, maar aan de andere kant, wil ik natuurlijk niet dat ze een aanval krijgt juist door te enten.
Twizzle is nu twee jaar en drie maanden, die heeft al vanaf dat ze een jaar is diverse huidproblemen, en die heb ik dus nog steeds niet laten inenten sinds haar puppyentingen.
En ik geloof ook niet dat ik het nog van plan ben. Ik heb steeds meer de indruk dat de dieren er beroerder van worden dan van de ziekte's zelf, zo die dan al voorkomen.
Momenteel ga ik gemakshalve een beetje van het standpunt uit dat als de meeste honden ingeent zijn dat er dan in onze direkte omgeving niet zo heel veel voor zal komen. Misschien een beetje struisvogelpolitiek, maar ik durf het gewoon niet. Ik zeg ook altijd tegen mezelf dat ik door het voeren van rauw haar eigen weerstand (voor zover mogelijk) naar een optimaal niveau heb gebracht.
Moet ik er wel bij zeggen dat ze nooit zal gaan zwemmen of pootjebaden (weil) zelfs op het strand loopt ze niet eens tot aan de vloedlijn, stel je voor dat je natte poten krijgt.
Maar het blijft natuurlijk een feit dat iedereen ZELF de keuze en afweging maakt om wel of niet in te enten.
Zelfs ik twijfel regelmatig, we willen allemaal het beste voor onze beestjes, toch?
patricia20 schreef:misschien een stomme vraag, maar wat is de kans op ziekte,waarneer ze niet geent worden?
en enten jullie de gezonde dieren dan wel?
of ook niet?
ik moet vrijdag naar de da voor de prikken, en toch twijfel ik nog steeds,ik vind het eng,bang dat ze wat krijgen, maar aan de andere kant, wil ik natuurlijk niet dat ze een aanval krijgt juist door te enten.
Jouw hond heeft toch ook allergie klachten dacht ik? In dat geval zou ik helemaal niet meer laten vaccineren. Huidklachten kunnen ook door vaccinatie veroorzaakt worden.
Mijn gezonde dieren worden ook niet meer geent.
Ik ben er van overtuigd dat ze voor de rest van hun leven beschermd zijn.
Over Weil heb ik het met de da gehad. Toen ik vroeg waarom mensen niet gevaccineerd worden moest hij het antwoord schuldig blijven daar had hij nog nooit bij stilgestaan. Wij lopen toch net zoveel kans? Je aait de hond die net heeft gezwommen, vissers komen met slootwater in aanraking mensen zwemen in plassen en kanalen. Niemand wordt gevaccineerd.
Verder zij mijn da dat zolang de meeste honden in de omgeving wel gevaccineerd worden de niet gevaccineerde niet zoveel risico lopen.
Hieronder een artikel van Spike's site. Let op de eerste alinea!!
Printed with permission...
They Shoot Horses but Vaccinate Dogs,
by Chrissie Mason B.R.C.P., Ph.D. http://www.positivehealth.com
Have you ever wondered why some dogs or cats continually experience skin problems? Have you ever wondered why your dog has to constantly have its anal glands evacuated? Have you ever wondered why your friend's dog experiences allergies to grass pollens, fleas, house dust mites etc? Have you ever thought your own diligence in conforming to a Veterinary Surgeon's request, and the annual vaccine programme could, in fact, be killing your beloved pets, rather than improving their quality of life? Perhaps you are inadvertently exposing them to the ravages of the 20th century illnesses, of immune deficiency diseases. Those readers old enough to remember their own childhood animals may recall, a puppy being vaccinated at 7 to 8 weeks followed by a second dose at twelve weeks. If a particularly virulent epidemic was apparent in the neighborhood a booster injection was recommended, other than that this was the only time your domestic dog received vaccinations. A further observation of thirty years ago was that domestic cats in general, were never vaccinated.
Do we need annual vaccinations for our animals?
I run a very busy practice in animal healthcare, utilizing Homoeopathy, Biochemistry, Mineral and Enzyme therapy. I am becoming seriously concerned at the increase in the cases of Auto-immunedisease, and the Canine/Feline vaccination programme which I consider to be inextricably linked.
Certainly, I do not stand alone in holding these views, as a number of Orthodox Veterinary Practitioners have expressed their concern over the incidence of certain types of illness suddenly appearing after a vaccination has been administered. Often these are severe skin disorders, gastrointestinal disturbances, sickness and colitis symptoms, all of which have been observed and recorded. It would appear the subject is as controversial within animal husbandry as it is in the welfare programme of vaccinating children. Certainly opinion is very divided, and I feel we owe it to the animals and their long term future, to request an open, unbiased research programme. This should be conducted to ascertain if there is evidence to support the theory of vaccination being related to the increase of auto-immune diseases.
What is being done at present?
The Royal Veterinary College is currently conducting an investigation into Auto-immune disease, and this is at considerable cost within the research programme. Yet I am unaware of any involvement, within this research, of any Alternative Medical viewpoint, other than Orthodox Veterinary Surgeons who themselves use Homoeopathy as an adjunct to their practice. Many Orthodox Vets refuse to acknowledge the efficacy of using Homoeopathy or other complementary therapies within their practice, dismissing them as being unscientific and at worst, complete hocus pocus. Very often by using Homoeopathy as the primary medication one can achieve reversal or complete remission of symptoms, and in particular when 'Vaccinosis' is used as the diagnostic investigation and assessment, pertaining to symptoms displayed. Responsible owners are positively encouraged to have their animals vaccinated on an annual basis, and to this end appointment, reminder cards are sent out to clients. This encourages them to book up for the annual 'top'. Often the general rules pertaining to the vaccination procedures are ignored when the cat or dog is submitted to the Veterinary Surgery. As an example the temperature should be taken to check for any evidence of infection, and no animal should receive a further vaccine whilst displaying ill health or immune deficiency disorders. Yet owners are told that in the past, without the vaccine programme, thousands of animals were dying on an annual basis of illnesses such as hardpad, distemper and parvo-virus. However, one could begin to question if we are entering a phase whereby we are purely exchanging one cause of death for another, namely Aids in the animal kingdom. Furthermore concern is mounting for the quality of the cat/dog's life that is constantly exposed to the ill effects of the vaccine programme.
What is this 'Vaccinosis' we speak of?
Vaccinosis, or vaccinia is the term used to describe the set of symptoms recognized by Homoeopaths and other Naturopathic Healthcare Professionals, as being the morbid constitutional state engendered by the vaccine virus. The effects of chronic Vaccinosis are various but frequently include severe skin disorders, e.g. urticaria, excema, lupus vulgaris, warts, spongy tumours etc. In the canine world skin disorders are a serious problem currently affecting thousands of animals, ranging from minor skin symptoms through to complete and total alopecia. Once this state has been reached the cell metabolism is impaired and the nervous system is severely affected. This leaves the animal vulnerable, and exposed to various allergic reactions and allergens that would normally be tolerated, such as fleas and house dust mites. I suspect if one took a random number of supposedly healthy animals, and then exposed them all, to the same irritants and allergens, the chances are that a small percentage would display symptoms pertaining to an allergic reaction. However, when one begins to look at the reverse situation, i.e. more animals showing signs of allergic reaction than not, one must consider why this is happening. If the immune system is strong and at optimum potential, it should be able to safeguard the body, from attack. But this is not the current situation, more and more canines and felines are displaying symptoms of immune malfunction. To date the various pieces of research that have been conducted by independent sources, indicate the problem arises from two factors, namely the use of Multiple live vaccine material, as opposed to killed or treated viruses, and very importantly, the frequency of administration of vaccines.
How do vaccines affect animals?
The Multiple Live Vaccine offers a much stronger challenge to an animal's defense mechanism. As an example: a puppy of 7 weeks of age, and weighing only 2 lbs. will still be vaccinated with Canine Distemper, Parvo-virus, Leptospirosis, Parain Influenza and Hepatitis, all on the same day. The amount of vaccine given is often identical in proportion as that given to a Great Dane puppy, that would obviously weigh considerably more. In countries such as the United States of America and parts of Europe, this tremendous bombardment will often be followed just one week later by the rabies injection. How an animal can be expected to cope with such an accumulation of components, and all at one time, is quite extreme but in particular the young animal whose immune system has not yet been fully developed. The immunological tolerance of this situation is often extremely poor, and in certain instances an animal will display ill health within a few hours of the vaccine being administered. As the weeks go by many animals will display unfavorable response to the vaccine often bringing to the fore front inherited predisposition to other illnesses. Further evidence would suggest that vaccinating an animal during pregnancy or during the estrus cycle can inhibit hormonal function. This not only creates physical symptoms to the dam, but can be passed on through the gestation period to the unborn puppies. In severe cases of Vaccinosis puppies may be delivered still born or already displaying skin disorders. It is a clinical fact that following parvo-virus vaccine as an example, the number of white cells in the circulation, decreases for a period of time, thereby rendering the animal exposed to illness as a result of the lowering of immune responses. Animals suffer stress just as do we humans. A further relevant factor involving the vaccine programme is related to stress, either emotional or environmental. There is a general acceptance in today's society that exposure to stress in the human quarter affects the functioning of the immune system; the same must be acknowledged within the animal kingdom. For example, the young puppy having recently left its mother, and fellow offspring, finds itself in a new and often frightening environment, is going to display stress related disorders. This will undoubtedly affect its response to the receptiveness of the vaccine programme, which is usually administered around the same time as the move into the new environment. There is a strange irony attached to the vaccine programme in so far as the pharmaceutical industry states. 'The administration of a vaccine should only be given to healthy animals'. However, if an animal was completely healthy it would not require the vaccination in the first place. Surely the correct way forward is to be looking at ways and means to enhance the immune system and bring it up to its optimum performance, principally by addressing the nutrition of the animal and using things such as essential biochemistry and homoeopathic nosodes incorporated into its welfare programme.
Is continual Vaccination really necessary?
In America the Veterinary Immunologists claim that vaccinations should only be given once or twice during an animal's life time. There is no need or evidence to prove that annual vaccination programmes are either essential or effective. On the contrary research suggests that no dog over the age of 7 years of age derives benefit from the annual vaccine programme. Furthermore, those animals submitted to the annual boosters, go on to display exacerbation of joint related ills in later life. Sadly even within the animal welfare programme professionals are influenced by the 'biomedical' model as outlined by the pharmaceutical industry. Injections have become the 'norm' as being the ultimate panacea to attain optimum health for the domestic animal. Yet we are seeing an increasing number of cases involving immune dysfunction, tumours, cancerous growths, severe skin disorders and behavioral disturbances. What, I wonder, is the comparison of auto-immune diseases in the domestic animal, compared to that of his counter part in the wild animal kingdom? Is this a worthy comparison to make when conducting research into auto-immune disease conditions? I am convinced it should be investigated.
What can be done about the Vaccinosis problem?
When I suspect a case of Vaccinosis in a domestic animal, I invariably treat it with Homoeopathic remedies for the specific condition coupled with immune enhancing formulas. I further stress to the owner that until the animal has showed signs of significant recovery no further booster vaccinations should be administered. However, problems soon arise when the owner returns to the Orthodox Veterinary system. They usually find pressure to bear to have the cat/dog re-vaccinated as soon as possible. The results of which can vary considerably. If the animal's immune system has recovered sufficiently it may well withstand the vaccine without too many problems, however, if the immune function is still below par, exacerbation of original symptomology is generally displayed within a few days of the vaccine taking place. A further occurrence observed by some Veterinarians is that of a tumour or growth appearing directly on or around the sight of the annual injection, this is particularly noticeable in the feline world, and can take the form of fibrosarcoma. Indeed, the list of symptoms that can be linked with the over exuberant vaccination programme appears endless: warty growths, tumours of both malignant and benign type, seizures, skin problems, bone and joint disorders. During the current investigations being carried out by the Royal Veterinary College, it has been observed that many of these auto-immune diseases commence as skin disorders. Aside from the inherited factor as displayed in certain breeds such as West Highland Whites, the disease occurs as a result of the immune system attacking the skin. Furthermore, they have also observed auto-immune blood disease leading to hemolytic anaemia - cast your mind back to the earlier fact pertaining to the parvo-virus vaccine. Following vaccination the white blood cells are severely diminished and their function temporarily impaired! A further and most alarming disease currently being observed by the R.V.C. is that of systemic Lupus Erythematosus. This disease eventually affects many body systems including red and white blood cells, and the joints, skin and kidneys. Reflect back to the inclusion of symptoms of Vaccinia as defined by Homoeopaths, does it not include all of the aforementioned as being contributory to this disease syndrome?
Why then the insistence on annual Vaccinations?
There are over 6 million families in England that own a dog, and this is increasing annually. The number of animals that will fall foul of one or more of the afore-mentioned symptoms will increase, as the vaccine programme is vehemently maintained by the Orthodox Veterinary Surgeons. The vaccine programme is a highly lucrative part of a Veterinary practice and a vaccine can vary in cost from 15 to 30 pounds per time. Some sources purport as much as 30% profit in a Veterinary practice is obtained from the vaccine programme. Smith Kline Beecham Animal Health division specialized in vaccines and earlier this year sold its animal division for 920 million pounds. It is hard not to become cynical, as to why the Veterinary profession and the drug companies do not want the problem of Vaccine related illness properly and accurately investigated. Yet morally what are we doing to our domestic animals, where is their future and moreover the quality of their lives? We must address the situation now. Certainly the weaker among their species will become even more vulnerable and are we not witnessing the 'genetic engineering' of their long term destiny, maybe to extinction as we know them today? Having shared most of my life with domestic animals I can only view the world as an empty shell should it succumb to being devoid of cats, dogs and the like. Can we just turn our heads and ignore their plight or do we, should we, acknowledge their cry for help? Are we really vaccinating animals on an annual basis with large doses of multiple live vaccine substances because we are committed to the programme, and because we feel it is right? Or are we exposing our beloved friends to a lifetime of hell and deprivation due to vested interest?
The first fact is this:
Annual vaccination is fraud. Strong stuff, eh? There is absolutely no scientific basis for annual vaccination. It was just a practice that was started many years ago, probably because the shots weren't working and someone had the bright idea to keep repeating it in case it helped. In fact, we have discovered that, far from helping, annual vaccination is destroying our animals' immune systems. This is widely known in scientific circles - but vets are reluctant to look at the evidence too closely due to potential lost booster income. I am sorry to say this but long years of campaigning allow me to develop no other conclusion. The vets who have read my book they take it very seriously. However, most refuse to read it. 'Once immunity to a virus exists, it persists for years or life'. Dr Ronald D Schultz, head of pathobiology at Wisconsin University. My own six-year-old Golden Retriever - Gwinnie - gives a good example of this. Gwinnie was vaccinated ONLY as a puppy. We got her when she was five months old, already vaccinated. She was never vaccinated again. Last year, at the age of six, Gwinnie had a blood test and this revealed that she still has high antibody levels to distemper and parvo. The advice from Professor Hal Thomson at Glasgow University was 'no need to revaccinate'. After SIX years. Dr Jean Dodds in America has just completed a study that shows much the same thing. You don't NEED to keep vaccinating your dogs. There is one exception, and this is the leptospirosis component of the vaccine. Lepto is a bacterin, not a virus, and you can't get permanent immunity to a bacterin. However, the vaccine has been described as 'useless' and there have been many calls for it to be withdrawn from the market. There are hundreds of strains of leptospirosis, but only two in the vaccine, AND it provides immunity (if at all) for only between three and six months. This means that your dog is probably unprotected against the two strains for around nine months of the year, and against all the other hundreds of strains for ever. Australian research shows that the lepto component of vaccines can cause horrendous side-effects, so top veterinary immunologists, microbiologists and pathobiologists have advised we don't use it.
Vaccines can cause a whole range of diseases. Skin problems: Frick and Brooks, in 1983, showed that dogs who were genetically susceptible to develop atopic dermatitis ONLY contracted the condition IF they were vaccinated before being exposed to an allergen. So vaccines trigger skin disease.
Arthritis: There are many, many studies which show that vaccines can cause arthritis. Vaccine components have even been found in the bones of arthritis sufferers.
Cancer: Vaccine components have been found at the cancer sites of victims. Worse, they have been found at the cancer sites of the CHILDREN of the people who received the guilty vaccine. In other words, vaccines can cause inheritable cancer.
Leukaemia: Dr Jean Dodds has linked leukaemia to vaccines. Also, Merck, a vaccine manufacturer, has linked leukaemia to a leukaemia-like retrovirus found in birds. Merck were investigating the link between this retrovirus and the eggs they cultivated the measles vaccine on. Distemper and measles are virtually the same virus, and both vaccines are cultivated on chick embryos.
Aggression: Vaccines are acknowledged to cause inflammation of the brain and, in severe cases, lesions in the brain and throughout the central nervous system. This condition, known as encephalitis, lies at the root of much aggressive and violent behaviour, autism, epilepsy, attention deficit disorder, and other neurological conditions (for example, CDRM, Ataxia, etc).
Autoimmune disease: It is widely acknowledged that vaccines can cause a whole range of autoimmune diseases, such as Cushings disease, Addisons disease, thyroid disease, autoimmune haemolytic anaemia, and many others. The scientific evidence is there for anyone who wants to look at it. Dr Larry Glickman at Purdue University has found that routinely vaccinated dogs develop autoantibodies to a wide range of their own biochemicals. This means that vaccines cause dogs to attack their own bodies which is what autoimmune disease is all about.
Fact three: Some animals are genetically pre-disposed to suffer fatal reactions to vaccines, or to develop vaccine-induced disease. The Merck Manual (the doctor's bible, published by a vaccine manufacturer) says that children with B and/or T cell immunodeficiencies should not receive live virus vaccines as the vaccine can stimulate a severe or FATAL infection. Not to put too fine a point on it, 'fatal' means death. Merck explains that features of B and T cell immunodeficiencies include eczema, dermatitis, heart disease, inhalant allergies, food allergies and neurological conditions. They say that humans suffering with any of these conditions, or from families with these conditions, should not receive live virus vaccines because the vaccine can kill them. Our dogs also have B and T cells, and B and T cell immunodeficiencies. So if your dog has allergies, or heart problems, or neurological problems . . .vaccines represent a life threatening risk.
Fact four: Vaccines cause more diseases than they prevent. This is the one the scientists are currently arguing about. You can probably guess which way I've fallen on the debate. In my humble opinion, vaccination is probably the worst thing we can do for someone we love. Obviously, this is a scarey statement. Let me tell you a little about why I'm here saying this to you. Oliver, a beautiful Golden Retriever, lost the use of his back legs one day when he was four years old. We rushed him to the vet but he was dead by four that afternoon. For two years, I asked every vet I met 'why?' No one could tell me until I met a homoeopathic vet called Chris Day, and he asked me when Ollie had last been vaccinated. He told me it was a classic vaccine reaction, falling within three months of the shot. Since then I have met many people whose dogs died in exactly the same way. Prudence, another Golden Retriever, died of leukaemia when she was six. The last time I vaccinated her, her eyes rolled in her sockets, and she climbed up on my back, begging me not to have it done. But we carried on because I thought it was good for her. Distemper and parvo are horrible diseases, of course - but so is leukaemia. You don't want to see a dog die this way. Samson's back legs were paralysed the day after his second puppy shot. I thought maybe someone had put poison down because I didn't know vaccines could do this. The next year he was boosted, and his head swelled up like a football and he ran around screaming - I now know that this was a massive allergic reaction to the vaccine. At the age of two we had a blood test done, and it came back autoimmune disease. He died of cancer at the age of five. Having studied the scientific evidence, I know that Sammie was killed the day a vaccine destroyed his immune system. Edward and Daniel are three-year-old Golden Retrievers. Neither has ever been vaccinated. Not once. They are the healthiest two Goldens I have ever had the privilege to share my life with. No sickness, no diarrhoea, no allergies, no illness. The vet doesn't know who they are - they have only ever visited to have their blood tested (both have antibodies to distemper and parvo . . . which means they've met the diseases but not succumbed). They also went to the vets a few weeks ago to have ticks removed. The Vet remarked on how fit and healthy they were. But that's it - their entire veterinary history at the age of three. Compare this with Samson's veterinary history! I was literally at the Vet every two weeks with Sammie. Edward and Daniel are fed real food - raw meaty bones, vegetables, etc. This means that they have optimal immune systems, so they are in a good position to fight any viruses or bacterins that come along. They also receive the homoeopathic vaccine alternative. When they were nine months old, my older vaccinated dogs contracted kennel cough. My two homoeopathically protected pups didn't cough once. A few days ago on the CHC discussion list, one of our members reported meeting two 17 year old Golden Retrievers on the beach. Both ran and jumped around like young ones. The owner told her that they had never been vaccinated and, as he was a butcher, he had fed them raw meat. Seven years into the campaign, we are beginning to see the results of not vaccinating and feeding real food. Canine Health Concern members are now constantly reporting that their dogs are incredibly healthy, and those who show are winning at all the shows. Don't blame the 'irresponsible breeders' - blame vaccines. Without vaccines, you too can hope for long-lived friends who get through their lives without the crippling debilitating diseases that have become common in the dog population.
One last fact: Vaccines don't offer GUARANTEED immunity. Nearly all of the dogs in the CHC vaccine survey - which involved over 4,000 dogs and is still ongoing - contracted distemper, parvo, lepto, hepatitis, etc, within three months of being vaccinated. I am going to be away on Monday and Tuesday, so shall answer any questions on Wednesday. Please give your post the 'Vaccinations' heading so I can plough through incoming e-mails as quickly as possible. I know that this post is going to unsettle and disturb many list members and I apologise for this. My motivation is that you don't have to sit and watch your beloved friends die years before their time, or suffer from any of the many vaccine-induced diseases. We are making a terrible mistake on behalf of our animal friends. What we think is best for them is in fact the worst thing we can do. I am not alone in saying this - the very top veterinary specialists agree. We just need to get the other Vets up to date. CHC members and people like your own beloved Bonnie are doing this through example. I promise you this - annual vaccination is coming to an end. We will look back in horror at what we used to do.
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